Arnold Schwarzenegger

Do Not Take Legal Advice From Bryan Fischer

Now that Bryan Fischer has hit the big time, I think it is important to remind everyone of a simple fact: Fischer generally has no idea what he is talking about.

Remember a few weeks back when he was claiming that the ruling striking down Arizona's draconian law was unconstitutional on the grounds that the Constitution says the Supreme Court is to have "original jurisdiction" over "all cases...in which a State shall be Party"?  That argument turned out to be so ludicrous that even WorldNetDaily dismissed it as nonsense.

Well, Fischer is once again demonstrating his legal genius, blasting Judge Vaughan Walker for suggesting opponents of his Prop 8 ruling might not have standing to appeal.  Here's is Fischer's brilliant analysis:

Judge Walker appears oblivious to the blatant self-contradiction in his ruling. If Prop. 8 proponents do not have standing, what in the world was he doing allowing them to argue in his courtroom on behalf of natural marriage for two weeks?

Oh, that's right, it gave him the chance to be the center of the universe for one brief shining moment. For him to have denied standing would have deprived him of his fifteen minutes, and he wasn't about to put up with that. He granted standing just long enough to get his picture in every newspaper in the country and become the darling of the effeminate left. He even tried to become a daytime TV star until the Supreme Court smacked him down. And then, when his fifteen minutes were up, he tried to tell everybody to go home.

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The Ninth Circuit has scheduled a court date for the appeal of Judge Walker's ruling, but curiously have directed the proponents of Prop. 8 to come before it and address the issue of standing.

What the Ninth Circuit has done, in all its infinite judicial wisdom, and without apparently even realizing it, is to settle this question before it's even argued in court. For if the proponents have standing to argue standing, then they have standing. If they have no standing, they shouldn't have been scheduled even to make arguments for standing.

The mere fact that the Ninth Circuit is inviting them into court to make the case for standing means, if logic and consistency mean anything, that the court has already decided this question in the affirmative.

We'll see if they're rational enough to figure out what they've done here. Being as how they're liberals, all bets are off on that one. They can hardly now rule against the standing of Prop. 8 proponents, because a higher court will say, well, if they had no legal right to be there, why did you even let them in your court in the first place?

First of all, Walker didn't say Prop 8 proponents didn't have standing in the initial case, he said they might not have standing to appeal ... and the issue standing is going to be an important question in moving the case forward in the appeals process: 

[A]dvocates of Prop 8, who are launching the appeal, may not have the necessary standing to carry it forward. The case is titled Perry v. Schwarzenegger, with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and other officials in the position of defending the ballot initiative. But those officials, who are sympathetic toward gay marriage to varying degrees, are not inclined to appeal Walker's ruling.

Under Supreme Court precedent, it's unclear that proponents of legislation would have standing to defend it if state officials are not themselves defending it, because they can't show that they are suffering the necessary injury. In Arizonans for Official English v. Arizona, a 1997 case, the Court expressed "grave doubts" about the ability of such groups to challenge rulings that strike down ballot initiatives.

"There is a very serious standing issue," said George Washington University Law School associate dean Alan Morrison, a longtime expert on standing and civil procedure. The Arizona precedent, he said, "came right up to the edge" of saying there was no standing for groups like those that favor Proposition 8. Morrison also noted that since that ruling, new members like Chief Justice John Roberts Jr. and Samuel Alito Jr. have joined the Court and are "no friends of expanding standing." Setting high standards for standing has been one of several gatekeeping procedural doctrines conservative justices have used to weed out what they view as excessive or frivolous litigation from the courts.

The issue of standing is the very question the Ninth Circuit is going to be examining and why the court is explicitly telling Prop 8 supporters who are appealing Walker's ruling "to include in their opening brief a discussion of why this appeal should not be dismissed for lack of Article III standing."

The fact that Prop 8 supporters are going to be in court does not prove that they have standing because that is the very question they are going to be in court trying to decide.

Right Wing Leftovers

  • Apparently, this right-wing call to start over on healthcare reform was so effective when they released it last month that they decided to issue the release again.
  • The sixth annual Pro-life Day of Silent Solidarity will be held on Tuesday, Oct. 20.
  • The Right loses out as women will be allowed to serve on submarines.
  • Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a bill to create a state day of recognition for Harvey Milk.
  • You know, Peter LaBarbera, just because someone is gay, that doesn't automatically make them a "homosexual activist."
  • Finally, a supposedly fun thing you'd never do again.

Right Wing Round-Up

  • Rep. Paul Broun declares Nancy Pelosi to be a "domestic enemy of the Constitution."
  • This has got to be one of the most God-centric political ads I think I have ever seen.
  • Justice Antonin Scalia doesn't seem to think that a cross is a Christian symbol.
  • The Right sure does love Carrie Prejean.
  • Will Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger veto Harvey Milk day again?
  • Finally, see the Conservative Bible Project in action.

Right Wing Leftovers

  • After Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed legislation last year creating "Harvey Milk Day," a California legislator is hoping that publicity from the movie "Milk" will help get it passed and enacted this year.
  • Ted Baehr, founder of Christian-oriented MovieGuide, says the list of current Oscar nominees proves that Hollywood is "the cultural pigsty of the world" and made up of "elite snobs" who "don't like anything that extols great virtues and institutions like heroism, purity, sacrifice, the military, the traditional family, honesty, liberty above lawlessness and licentiousness, anti-Communism and Christianity."
  • Alan Keyes pens a typically rambling attack on Obama, claiming "Obama uses the name of God, but in his views and politics he stubbornly denies, disregards and rejects God's authority."
  • Among the signs seen at yesterday's March for Life: "Impeach Adolf Obama."
  • Another day, another rabid statement from Matt Barber:
  • "I certainly cannot judge whether or not Barack Obama has a relationship with Christ. That's between him and God, and only they know that. However, scripture tells us that you will be known by your fruits, and here Barack Obama is promoting counter-biblical, anti-Christian policies. [These are] policies that elevate deviant sexual behaviors and dangerous sexual behaviors that are destructive spiritually, physically and emotionally, and certainly -- when embraced as Barack Obama has embraced them -- are destructive societally."

Schwarzenegger Caves to the Right

As we noted back in August, the Religious Right was completely freaking out about legislation that would have would declared May 22 of each year to be Harvey Milk Day:  

"What significant contribution did Harvey Milk bring to the state of California – other than encouraging gay people to come out of the closet?" asked Benjamin Lopez of the Traditional Values Coalition.

"This is yet another example of them trying to normalize and force acceptance of the gay lifestyle upon people," he said.

"This bad bill will teach impressionable schoolchildren the anti-religious, homosexual-bisexual-transsexual agenda of Harvey Milk," warned Randy Thomasson, president of Campaign for Children and Families.  "If signed into law, AB 2567 will mean an official day commemorating homosexuality, bisexuality, and transsexuality in California government schools....This will harm children as young as kindergarten."

"The Democrats are so cocky, they have no qualms about pushing sexual indoctrination upon children in an election year. For the love of God, parents and their children, we implore Governor Schwarzenegger to veto AB 2567," Thomasson said.

And since succumbing to right-wing pressure seems to be the order of the day for “maverick” Republican candidates, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has decided to follow suit and thus vetoed the bill:  

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has vetoed a bill that would have made the birthday of gay political icon Harvey Milk a statewide "day of significance."

In his veto message issued Tuesday, the governor said that while he respected the measure's intent, he thinks Milk's "contributions should continue to be recognized at the local level."

Conservative groups had lobbied Schwarzenegger not to sign the legislation, sponsored by Assemblyman Mark Leno of San Francisco.

Anti-Gay Activists Get California Veto, Push Two More

“We can no longer allow girlie-men in this state or any state to dictate to our children what they're going to teach them. We need to see them face-to-face and tell them, we have our pants on the right way, we are men and women, we are not confused. And if anyone needs to teach our children, it needs to be us parents, not girlie-men from this building or any other building.”

So said Campaign for Children and Families (CCF) Latino spokesman Luis Galdamez at a rally Tuesday at the California statehouse urging Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to veto a bill that would have prohibited classroom instruction that discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation, along with the current list of “race, sex, color, creed, handicap, national origin, or ancestry.”

Apparently CCF’s chants of “veto, veto, veto” were convincing; Schwarzenegger vetoed the bill yesterday. But the Right wasted little time celebrating, instead pushing for the governor to veto two more gay-friendly bills. “Thanks are due to the many thousands of pro-family Californians who called and e-mailed Gov. Schwarzenegger, urging him to stop this bill in its tracks. We now ask those same men and women to keep telling the governor to do what's right for their state by vetoing two other anti-family bills when they reach his desk,” said Focus on the Family’s Tom Minnery. Randy Thomasson, president of CCF, said simply, “That’s good, but what about the other two sexual indoctrination bills, AB 606 and AB 1056?”

(AB 606, the “Safe Place to Learn Act,” reinforces compliance by school district with California’s anti-discrimination law. AB 1056 establishes a pilot program to promote tolerance between groups.)

Luis Galdamez

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Kyle Mantyla, Tuesday 08/17/2010, 3:27pm
Now that Bryan Fischer has hit the big time, I think it is important to remind everyone of a simple fact: Fischer generally has no idea what he is talking about. Remember a few weeks back when he was claiming that the ruling striking down Arizona's draconian law was unconstitutional on the grounds that the Constitution says the Supreme Court is to have "original jurisdiction" over "all cases...in which a State shall be Party"?  That argument turned out to be so ludicrous that even WorldNetDaily dismissed it as nonsense. Well, Fischer is once again demonstrating... MORE >
Kyle Mantyla, Wednesday 10/14/2009, 5:47pm
Apparently, this right-wing call to start over on healthcare reform was so effective when they released it last month that they decided to issue the release again. The sixth annual Pro-life Day of Silent Solidarity will be held on Tuesday, Oct. 20. The Right loses out as women will be allowed to serve on submarines. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a bill to create a state day of recognition for Harvey Milk. You know, Peter LaBarbera, just because someone is gay, that doesn't automatically make them a "homosexual activist." Finally, a... MORE >
Kyle Mantyla, Thursday 10/08/2009, 5:45pm
Rep. Paul Broun declares Nancy Pelosi to be a "domestic enemy of the Constitution." This has got to be one of the most God-centric political ads I think I have ever seen. Justice Antonin Scalia doesn't seem to think that a cross is a Christian symbol. The Right sure does love Carrie Prejean. Will Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger veto Harvey Milk day again? Finally, see the Conservative Bible Project in action. MORE >
Kyle Mantyla, Friday 01/23/2009, 6:27pm
After Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed legislation last year creating "Harvey Milk Day," a California legislator is hoping that publicity from the movie "Milk" will help get it passed and enacted this year.Ted Baehr, founder of Christian-oriented MovieGuide, says the list of current Oscar nominees proves that Hollywood is "the cultural pigsty of the world" and made up of "elite snobs" who "don't like anything that extols great virtues and institutions like heroism, purity, sacrifice, the military, the traditional family, honesty, liberty above... MORE >
Kyle Mantyla, Wednesday 10/01/2008, 10:33am
As we noted back in August, the Religious Right was completely freaking out about legislation that would have would declared May 22 of each year to be Harvey Milk Day:   "What significant contribution did Harvey Milk bring to the state of California – other than encouraging gay people to come out of the closet?" asked Benjamin Lopez of the Traditional Values Coalition. "This is yet another example of them trying to normalize and force acceptance of the gay lifestyle upon people," he said. "This bad bill will teach impressionable schoolchildren... MORE >
, Thursday 09/07/2006, 3:35pm
“We can no longer allow girlie-men in this state or any state to dictate to our children what they're going to teach them. We need to see them face-to-face and tell them, we have our pants on the right way, we are men and women, we are not confused. And if anyone needs to teach our children, it needs to be us parents, not girlie-men from this building or any other building.” So said Campaign for Children and Families (CCF) Latino spokesman Luis Galdamez at a rally Tuesday at the California statehouse urging Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to veto a bill that would... MORE >